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Old 03-02-2010, 05:42 PM
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Stupid Keyless Go

So ... after reading all the posts in the past regarding the sporadic Keyless Go problems some people have had, I thought I would share my first experience with it which was this morning. Sat in the car after having driven it about two hours before hand. Outside it was about 35 deg F. Shut the door, put the clutch in all the way, pushed the ignition button, the starter motor engaged the flywheel the motor turned and fired up .... and then the computer decided to keep turning the motor over with the starter motor so it made all kinds of fucked up sounds while barely idling and shaking. I should add ... the starter did not reengage making the grinding sound - it just never disengaged for about five seconds. So I hit the button again to shut it off, turned off fine. Turned it back on a second later ... after several people passing at my work stared at me since my brand new car made all these fucked up sounds and then I left. Wtf is this shit ... its so aggravating. When are they going to put out a tsb for it?

Has anyone ever experienced anything similar with other Keyless Go vehicles (Hyundai or not)?

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Old 03-03-2010, 05:28 AM
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I had it on my previous car, a Mazdaspeed 6, but it wasn't exactly like the Hyundai. While it was keyless, you still turned an ignition per se, just never put a key in. The only problem I had was the outside buttons stop working from time to time because they didn't seal them well enough for cold climates with lots of road salt, and they would short themselves out.

I did some searching for problems with the Genesis keyless, or the Hyundai's in general, and I didn't really find anything. Were these posts you read about Hyundai's or just keyless in general? Wasn't your GC in an accident? Is there any chance the accident resulted in the starter being slightly misaligned enough to cause it to not disengage like you mentioned? I can understand how lame it must have been hearing that sound...starter sounds are loud and embarrassing.

As for a TSB, I'm not sure why they would unless this was a widespread problem. I haven't been able to find anything about it on any Genesis forums, but I'm sure I could have missed some posts in the corners of the internet.

I'd take it to the dealer and let them fix it up for ya...that's what a warranty is for.


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Old 03-03-2010, 08:59 AM
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Hey Yogi, I had similar problem with my BMW. It didn't have push button start, but had auto start, where you turn the key & it continues to turn the starter even after you let go until the vehicle starts. Ever since I purchased it used at 4yrs old, the thing would hang up intermittently & try to continually start car turning over & over & over. So, I would cut ignition off & restart the car with no issues every time. It only happened about once a month & was not that annoying once I realized what it was & that I only had to cut car off & restart it to remedy the problem. It never got any worse during the 4yrs I owned the vehicle, but it was out of warranty during my ownership & I wasn't going to fork over the cash needed for a new high $$ BMW starter or ignition switch for that car unless I really had to. You on the other hand are still under warranty, so I would take it in to be checked at the dealership & at least have it documented. Since this concern has not affected that many vehicles (yet anyways), I would suspect you will not see a recall or TSB & they will probably fix these on a case by case basis.

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Old 03-03-2010, 02:17 PM
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I had it on my previous car, a Mazdaspeed 6, but it wasn't exactly like the Hyundai. While it was keyless, you still turned an ignition per se, just never put a key in. The only problem I had was the outside buttons stop working from time to time because they didn't seal them well enough for cold climates with lots of road salt, and they would short themselves out.

I did some searching for problems with the Genesis keyless, or the Hyundai's in general, and I didn't really find anything. Were these posts you read about Hyundai's or just keyless in general? Wasn't your GC in an accident? Is there any chance the accident resulted in the starter being slightly misaligned enough to cause it to not disengage like you mentioned? I can understand how lame it must have been hearing that sound...starter sounds are loud and embarrassing.

As for a TSB, I'm not sure why they would unless this was a widespread problem. I haven't been able to find anything about it on any Genesis forums, but I'm sure I could have missed some posts in the corners of the internet.

I'd take it to the dealer and let them fix it up for ya...that's what a warranty is for.

Well just on this forum:

1)
Ignition Problem on my 3.8GT

2)
Prox key issue? Starter engages when already running!!!

Thats going back 5 months in about 5 minutes of searching.

If you sum up the number of people who posted on those two threads that the experienced similar things it adds up to quite a few people (about a dozen which is a pretty significant amount). Also, I got rear ended and no operation components were damaged - just plastics, lights, and part of the unibody. It was dead center when I got hit. I am aware that the force could have transferred up to the starter but I doubt it since my crumple zone did its job.

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Old 03-03-2010, 02:56 PM
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Well just on this forum:

1)
Ignition Problem on my 3.8GT

2)
Prox key issue? Starter engages when already running!!!

Thats going back 5 months in about 5 minutes of searching.

If you sum up the number of people who posted on those two threads that the experienced similar things it adds up to quite a few people (about a dozen which is a pretty significant amount). Also, I got rear ended and no operation components were damaged - just plastics, lights, and part of the unibody. It was dead center when I got hit. I am aware that the force could have transferred up to the starter but I doubt it since my crumple zone did its job.

In the grand scheme of things, a dozen people with a concern compared to the total # of vehicles sold w/o concern, just not enough to qualify recall or TSB IMO.

Your slight rear end impact should not of effected the starter.

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Old 03-03-2010, 03:33 PM
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In the grand scheme of things, a dozen people with a concern compared to the total # of vehicles sold w/o concern, just not enough to qualify recall or TSB IMO.

Your slight rear end impact should not of effected the starter.
I agree, the thing is we are talking about a dozen people out of maybe 200 active members which is 5%. To me that seems like a lot. Also if you assume 50% of people who own have a GC have push button ignition then it goes up to 10% of all push button owners.
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I agree, the thing is we are talking about a dozen people out of maybe 200 active members which is 5%. To me that seems like a lot. Also if you assume 50% of people who own have a GC have push button ignition then it goes up to 10% of all push button owners.
If I'm not mistaken though, some of us had that stop happening after the last TSB Update. I know on my vehicle I've never had this issue again after they performed the TSB updates on my GC.

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Sorry man, apparently I didn't search well enough...my bad.

Regardless, I still don't see where there is remotely enough people having the problem to order a TSB. I know because it's happening to you, you probably feel different. As for the accident, I did not know the details, so I was just throwing out the possibility. I agree that from how you describe the accident, I doubt it was the cause either.

Reading through the posts you found, it seems the problem happened on earlier builds for the most part, and as Shadouwynd said, it seems the people who have had the latest ECU flash might have had the problem fixed. Has your been brought up to date on the latest ECU flash? It sounds like on the surface, it's an ECU/Prox system issue, not hardware. If it was hardware related with the starter, I'd wonder if the 2.0T or the 3.8 had different starters.

Anyway, good luck and I hope the dealer gets it fixed up for you.


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Well just on this forum:

1)
Ignition Problem on my 3.8GT

2)
Prox key issue? Starter engages when already running!!!

Thats going back 5 months in about 5 minutes of searching.

If you sum up the number of people who posted on those two threads that the experienced similar things it adds up to quite a few people (about a dozen which is a pretty significant amount). Also, I got rear ended and no operation components were damaged - just plastics, lights, and part of the unibody. It was dead center when I got hit. I am aware that the force could have transferred up to the starter but I doubt it since my crumple zone did its job.

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Well just on this forum:

1)
Ignition Problem on my 3.8GT

2)
Prox key issue? Starter engages when already running!!!

Thats going back 5 months in about 5 minutes of searching.

If you sum up the number of people who posted on those two threads that the experienced similar things it adds up to quite a few people (about a dozen which is a pretty significant amount). Also, I got rear ended and no operation components were damaged - just plastics, lights, and part of the unibody. It was dead center when I got hit. I am aware that the force could have transferred up to the starter but I doubt it since my crumple zone did its job.
I posted the 2nd one you have listed, but mine seems to be the opposite of what is happening to you; but it still seems like it is the same problem.

Next time it happens make a note of your dash lights, when mine does it the car icon with a key in it is displayed, and that only should come on if the key has been removed from the car and the ignition is still on.

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Have you had your ECU updated or taken it in for the problem?

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