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Old 12-12-2009, 06:29 PM
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See - 3.8 Oil Level on New Genesis Shows High - Hyundai Genesis Forum

This problem has to do with the 3.8l engine and what the proper oil level is. Essentially, both HMAService and the OM state 5.2l of oil for the oil change. (5.5 Qt's) However, HMAService says 4.5 Qt's. Now, I would just write that off as a typo; However, people are claiming that at 4.5 QT's the dipstick reads like it should. I currently find that using 5.5 Qt's makes the dipstick basically useless. You can never tell how much oil is in the engine after an oil change w/ 5.5 Qt's. It reads far above the 'Full' mark on the dipstick after the engine has been off for any period of time.

So i'm concerned. Is 5.5 Qt's to much? I know thats what the service departments at the dealerships are putting in with every oil change.
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I have no clue...the manual does say 5.4qts, I believe, and that's what White Plains Hyundai put in my car for its first oil change.
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1st of all. this link is talking about the sedan 3.8. So make sure you are comparing apples, because there may be variations in the 2 engines (like oil pan size) that would cause one variant to hold more oil than the other.

2nd, I always use the suggested oil amount in the owners manual only as a guide line. In other words., put the majority of the oil in & just use the last quart to top off as needed. When approaching full, stop filling & run the car for a couple of minutes & recheck, then fill more as needed.

Lastly, you don't have to fill to the top mark on the dipstick, but rather have it anywhere in between 2 hash marks present on the stick. If you are reading above the top mark on the dip stick after the oil has been filled & settled, I would say that it is overfilled.
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1st of all. this link is talking about the sedan 3.8. So make sure you are comparing apples, because there may be variations in the 2 engines (like oil pan size) that would cause one variant to hold more oil than the other.

2nd, I always use the suggested oil amount in the owners manual only as a guide line. In other words., put the majority of the oil in & just use the last quart to top off as needed. When approaching full, stop filling & run the car for a couple of minutes & recheck, then fill more as needed.

Lastly, you don't have to fill to the top mark on the dipstick, but rather have it anywhere in between 2 hash marks present on the stick. If you are reading above the top mark on the dip stick after the oil has been filled & settled, I would say that it is overfilled.
^ this...spot on.
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1st of all. this link is talking about the sedan 3.8. So make sure you are comparing apples, because there may be variations in the 2 engines (like oil pan size) that would cause one variant to hold more oil than the other.

2nd, I always use the suggested oil amount in the owners manual only as a guide line. In other words., put the majority of the oil in & just use the last quart to top off as needed. When approaching full, stop filling & run the car for a couple of minutes & recheck, then fill more as needed.

Lastly, you don't have to fill to the top mark on the dipstick, but rather have it anywhere in between 2 hash marks present on the stick. If you are reading above the top mark on the dip stick after the oil has been filled & settled, I would say that it is overfilled.
No offense, but did you even read the link Tufast? Or did you even compare the oil levels?

They are same for both the coupe and the sedan. We both have the same problem. The dealerships are putting 5.5 Qt's in. At 5.5 Qt's it readswell above full on the dipstick.

Please actually read the link.

The statement that the Owners Manual should 'only be a guideline' is bullshit. Every car i've ever owned, the Owners Manual was fairly spot on. It wasn't a full quart off. Putting 5.5 Qt's in - Which the OM reccomends results in an unreadable dipstick as the amount the dipstick shows is well above the Full mark.

So we have one of two problems here.
A.) 5.5 Qt's is the wrong amount and 4.5 Qt's is the right amount. (This is a pretty huge difference; However, the dipstick indicates as such)
B.) 5.5 Qt's is the correct amount but the dipstick is wrong.

Also, I don't appreciate being treated like an idiot. I've owned and maintained a good amount of cars in my day. All the way from a TR3 to my Genesis Coupe. My GenCoupe is the only car that i've seen this issue.

I behoove anyone posting on this topic to actually read the thread, and make your way to hmaservice and compare the values under both the OM and numbers HMAService describes under the shop area.

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Anyone doing an oil change that blindly fills to spec without checking the dipstick is just asking for an overfill. Tufast is spot-on in his post. Instead of whining about what's what and going "OMG its different in different places what will I EVER DO!?!?!?!"

Pull the damn dipstick and read it...if you can manage that. Or go on posting about it while you dry your eyes. Or maybe join the dipshits on the service rack that are doing oil changes and overfilling. They're doing oil changes....FOR A REASON. i.e., that's all they're good for. THINK ABOUT IT.

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Anyone doing an oil change that blindly fills to spec without checking the dipstick is just asking for an overfill. Tufast is spot-on in his post. Instead of whining about what's what and going "OMG its different in different places what will I EVER DO!?!?!?!"

Pull the damn dipstick and read it...if you can manage that. Or go on posting about it while you dry your eyes. Or maybe join the dipshits on the service rack that are doing oil changes and overfilling. They're doing oil changes....FOR A REASON. i.e., that's all they're good for. THINK ABOUT IT.
So then Hyundai is indeed wrong and the value is not 5.5 Qt's but instead 4.5 Qt's? Think about what you are saying. Thats a HUGE discrepancy. Every car i've ever owned is at least between the low and full values on the dipstick using the manufacturers numbers.

I'm doing the oil changes myself. This is why I have issue with the fact that using 5.5 Qt's is well above the Full line. If Hyundai is indeed wrong - We need to be informed.

I've seen plenty of cars that had to short of dipsticks, and later on the dipsticks were replaced on a recall.

If you would bother to read the thread, and if you would bother to see what i've described; You would realize there is an issue somewhere. The cars come NEW potentially overfilled with 5.5Qt's.

So once again, we have one of two situations which need to be addressed.

A.) The dipstick isn't correct for this car.
B.) 5.5 Qt's is indeed overfilling, and Hyundai needs to address said issue considering that cars come new from the factory like this, and service-departments nation-wide are filling all 3.8l's to this amount.

So yes, I am 'THINKING ABOUT IT'. Thats the point of this thread.

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That's why I always get my oil changed at the dealer, sure its a bit expensive, but when the engine blows up cause the oil pump seized or died it will all be under warranty. I understand what your saying Mchart, you seem like a do it yourself guy, I used to be too. Talk with your service rep at the dealer you bought the car at maybe there has been an update or addendum. I know that the manuals have changed twice regarding the oil change schedules since i bought my car, so that would make my manual wrong.
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No offense, but did you even read the link Tufast? Or did you even compare the oil levels?

They are same for both the coupe and the sedan. We both have the same problem. The dealerships are putting 5.5 Qt's in. At 5.5 Qt's it readswell above full on the dipstick.

Please actually read the link.

The statement that the Owners Manual should 'only be a guideline' is bullshit. Every car i've ever owned, the Owners Manual was fairly spot on. It wasn't a full quart off. Putting 5.5 Qt's in - Which the OM reccomends results in an unreadable dipstick as the amount the dipstick shows is well above the Full mark.

So we have one of two problems here.
A.) 5.5 Qt's is the wrong amount and 4.5 Qt's is the right amount. (This is a pretty huge difference; However, the dipstick indicates as such)
B.) 5.5 Qt's is the correct amount but the dipstick is wrong.

Also, I don't appreciate being treated like an idiot. I've owned and maintained a good amount of cars in my day. All the way from a TR3 to my Genesis Coupe. My GenCoupe is the only car that i've seen this issue.

I behoove anyone posting on this topic to actually read the thread, and make your way to hmaservice and compare the values under both the OM and numbers HMAService describes under the shop area.
Sorry, I did not read the entire thread in your link the 1st time, just the original post. I did skim through the entire thing this round. I will have to do a few things tomorrow at work:
1) confirm both coupe & sedan 3.8L are identical regarding oil volume.
2) compare & contrast owners manual vs HMA svc.
3) then pull a new 3.8 in the shop to check myself.

But, at this point I can hypothesize..... I believe the that the 5.5 qts is the correct amount based on the fact that cars are being designed to use more oil to lubricate components these days, not less.

I've seen misprints in owners manuals before, but have yet to see a dipstick that is off, but that's just me.

As for the oil residue line that you are seeing on the dipstick, those usually occur from hot oil being burned on there. Since the new car engines have less than 20mi on them prior to arriving to the dealership, I would assume that the line occurs after driving & parking the vehicle. In other words, once you have taken ownership.

You are supposed to check the oil after the vehicle has been running & is still hot. Therefore, if the fluid reads correctly on the dipstick at that point, I would say that is correct. Keep in mind that these engines use a canister style filter up top (unlike the 2.0t does) & the oil from the filter housing will drain back down into the pan. This is probably the difference that you are seeing.

I will follow up & keep you posted on what I learn.
Thanks

P.S I wasn't trying to treat you like an idiot or a child & apologize if I came off that way, because it was not my intention. I can be rather coarse sometimes in my wording. I'm sorry for any offense I may have caused.
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Sorry, I did not read the entire thread in your link the 1st time, just the original post. I did skim through the entire thing this round. I will have to do a few things tomorrow at work:
1) confirm both coupe & sedan 3.8L are identical regarding oil volume.
2) compare & contrast owners manual vs HMA svc.
3) then pull a new 3.8 in the shop to check myself.

But, at this point I can hypothesize..... I believe the that the 5.5 qts is the correct amount based on the fact that cars are being designed to use more oil to lubricate components these days, not less.

I've seen misprints in owners manuals before, but have yet to see a dipstick that is off, but that's just me.

As for the oil residue line that you are seeing on the dipstick, those usually occur from hot oil being burned on there. Since the new car engines have less than 20mi on them prior to arriving to the dealership, I would assume that the line occurs after driving & parking the vehicle. In other words, once you have taken ownership.

You are supposed to check the oil after the vehicle has been running & is still hot. Therefore, if the fluid reads correctly on the dipstick at that point, I would say that is correct. Keep in mind that these engines use a canister style filter up top (unlike the 2.0t does) & the oil from the filter housing will drain back down into the pan. This is probably the difference that you are seeing.

I will follow up & keep you posted on what I learn.
Thanks

P.S I wasn't trying to treat you like an idiot or a child & apologize if I came off that way, because it was not my intention. I can be rather coarse sometimes in my wording. I'm sorry for any offense I may have caused.
I appreciate the constructive response.

With my own car the dipstick shows about 1/4-1/2Qt (Based on past dipsticks) over full. After the engine has been running and oil is up in the engine, it goes down a bit - But it's still above full. If 4.5 Qt's are used the dipstick starts reading correctly. However, i'm not going to take the risk of using a full quart less then whats officially reccomended (Of course, this brings further confusion as HMAService shows 4.5Qt's. This may be a typo, however, due to the fact that 5.2 liters is listed). This is why I would like official confirmation.

Also note that I do have the said burn mark on the dipstick - But i'm not basing my readings off of it. When my car was new the oil came from the factory about where the line burnt in. The burnt in line is also where my dipstick always seems to read if 5.5 Qt's are in the sump.

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