Buying a 3.8 grand touring - Manual or Auto??

yamilionheart · #11 02-08-2010, 04:44 PM

Thanks for the input guys. I actually have another question. Would there be a big difference in performance of snow tires between 18 and 19 inch sizes? I do get some decent snowstorms at times, as I live on long island. From what I've read, this car with snow tires does quite well in the snow. Any input on how selecting a track model over the gt would affect that? (I know the track comes with summer tires, but i was planning on buying winter tires for the gt anyway). Additionally, is snow driving any easier with an automatic transmission vs a manual one? Thanks in advance again!

Oversoul · #12 02-08-2010, 04:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Insane

I'm going to go ahead and say that is almost completely irrelevant. First off, how soon are you expecting to change a clutch??

Sure, that's a high MSRP for a OEM clutch, but it's largely an non issue. The clutch IS covered by the warranty, just for 12 mo/ 12k miles. So, unless you are expecting to need a new one in a year or 13K miles, I'm not sure what the cost of the OEM clutch has to do with anything. The transmission itself, just like the ZF IS covered by the full 100k warranty. FWIW, if you need a clutch in 60k or less, you are doing something wrong. Also, it's not always necessary to replace the flywheel...even if it is Dual Mass. There is already a clutch for this car just about to market in a matter of months, and there are lambo doors already for god's sake. How long to you REALLY think it will be for there to be aftermarket clutch choices?

This is the first car I've ever heard people say that the ridiculous price of an OEM clutch/flywheel is a reason to not consider a M/T. I'd be curious to see if a dealer needing to put in a new clutch would actually charge $5k plus in parts. My Mazdaspeed 6 had a pricey dual mass flywheel setup, and the parts came from Japan only. Even that job was only $1200, and that was more because it required dropping the whole front subframe...not the clutch parts themselves.

My .02 FWIW.

Insane, I agree with what you stated.
If you know how to drive a M/T & know how to use a clutch, it's a non-issue.
For those who believe an A/T is without it's own potential problems, think again.

The GC is a sports car. It's meant to be driven like a sports car. Sports car perform best when the driver can exercise full control over their machine.
Therefore, those who CAN drive a stick, should. Everyone else will simply have to settle for the auto & the diminished control over power application. (Sure, you could manually shift your auto, but then, that wouldn't be an auto, would it????)

In final analysis, I'd be more concerned with real world problems, like road hazards, thieves, & parking lot dings/dents.

Insane · #13 02-08-2010, 05:49 PM

Ok, couple of things to address here. As far as difference in performance of the snow tires in a 19" size vs a 18" size, there really should be none, other than price. However, a 18" snow tire is a little better because the difference in rim size is made up with a thicker sidewall. The overall diameter of the 18" size on an 18" rim is essentially the same as the 19" tires on the 19" rim...you just have less sidewall on the 19's.

Another thing is the GT comes with all seasons, which while not the best, will allow you to get around in the snow. The RE050A's on the Track will be dangerous even with just a coating of snow. They really aren't even a good idea to drive when the temperature drops below freezing on dry roads, but that is somewhat alleviated as they warm up with driving.

Now, for winter tires, you are really best off to get a dedicated set of winter tires with rims if you get the Track. It's going to be the most $$$, but you will save money and improve your winter ride going with an 18" tire over a 19". Also, not having to have a tire shop switch tires on your OEM rims twice a year (generally ~$100 each time) saves money and wear and tear on the rims themselves. As long as you have a tire iron, and a jack (OEM will do, but a decent floor jack is a better bet), you can switch them yourself every year and not pay someone to do it. The best part is a dedicated winter tire will outperform even the best All Season in the snow, and in most everything else in the winter. If you work with your dealer, you can probably just work the initial cost of a winter setup (~$1200-$1400) into your loan. Tire Rack has some nice setups and if you order the rims and tires together, you will get them delivered mounted and balanced right to your door. One last thing, make sure you go with a performance winter tire if possible so when you are on dry roads in the winter (most of the time) you won't hate having them on the car. My personal favorites are the Dunlop Wintersport M3's, but since the performance winter tires are made in a single batch per year, all that is left right now are the Blizzak LM-60's , which are also a great winter tires. You might even get a deal at the Tire Rack right now as they are closing out a lot of the winter tires.

Good luck and enjoy whatever you get...GT or Track, Manual or Auto.

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Originally Posted by yamilionheart

Thanks for the input guys. I actually have another question. Would there be a big difference in performance of snow tires between 18 and 19 inch sizes? I do get some decent snowstorms at times, as I live on long island. From what I've read, this car with snow tires does quite well in the snow. Any input on how selecting a track model over the gt would affect that? (I know the track comes with summer tires, but i was planning on buying winter tires for the gt anyway). Additionally, is snow driving any easier with an automatic transmission vs a manual one? Thanks in advance again!

yamilionheart · #14 02-08-2010, 09:49 PM

Now I'm really torn haha. I was digging the idea of getting the track, but the cost of wheels in addition to the tires would definitely put the total price over what i was looking to spend. I guess I gotta see what the dealer says they can do about getting a winter package set up for me. Another question, you estimated a winter package being around ~$1200-$1400, would that include the wheels? Additionally I did hear something about many 18" wheels not fitting over the brembo brake calipers. Have you heard anything about that? I really appreciate the input guys. please keep it coming!!

- Mike

Insane · #15 02-09-2010, 04:38 AM

Yeah, that would include wheels. If you just got tires you would have to get 19's, and it would be less upfront, maybe under $1k, but you'd have the cost of mounting them on the OEM rims, then having to take them off and have the OEM tires re-mounted every year...

As for the 18's and Brembos, most 18" rims will fit over the Brembo's, and if you go through a place like Tire Rack, when you choose the car you have, it lets you specify the track model, and shows you 18's that do fit.

I just put a package together on Tire Rack for ya, and it's $1200 + shipping for four Blizzak LM-60's, and four sport edition rims, with the tires mounted and balanced. Add another $80 or so for shipping and you are good to go.

If you went with just 19" tires, four Blizzak LM-60's would be $900 + shipping, and you would have to spend $100 twice a year to get them put on and taken off.

Tufast · #16 02-09-2010, 05:23 AM

Insane, some very good points.

yamilionheart · #17 02-09-2010, 08:40 AM

Thanks for the information, insane. Do you think you could provide a link to the tires and tims that you picked out? I would really appreciate it!

Insane · #18 02-09-2010, 08:59 AM

Go here first...

Tire Rack - Your performance experts for tires and wheels

On the main page, choose your make and model information in the drop down boxes. When you choose 2010 Hyundai, it will give you the option of the Genesis Coupe with the 2.0T or the 3.8, then it will let you choose either Base, Grand Touring, or Track models. Once you choose the Track model, click "Winter" on the spot below.

That will take you to the next page. In the upper left hand corner, choose "18" Packages". That will take you to your tire choices, which will only show the Blizzak LM-60. Click "Select Tire" on that page and it will take you to the page where you can choose rims. The first on on there, the Sport Edition SE-14 (18 x 8) are listed @ $109 each. There a loads of others but the rest jump up to $130+. Choose "Select wheel" on the wheels you want, then it will take you to your cart. Below the tires and wheels in your cart you will have three options...Mount and balance the tires with 4 TPMS sensor that add $380 to the price, Mount and Balance without sensors (free and the one you want) or the last one is to get the tires and rims shipped unmounted. Choose the mount and balance without sensors unless you would rather pay another $400 to not see a light on your dash in the winter. After that point you can see how much it will cost to have them shipped to you.

Shoot me a message if you have any trouble...

yamilionheart · #19 02-09-2010, 02:36 PM

The rear tire size seems to be sold out, is it possible to use the same size tires on all 4 wheels? Or would that mess up the traction control or the control of the vehicle in general? If so, any reccomendations on what to do? Thanks!

Insane · #20 02-09-2010, 02:43 PM

Are you sure...I just setup an order and it still says they have some.

Officially, you aren't supposed to run different in the back, but I had the same question and according to this thread I believe you can. As long as the rears are not smaller than the front...

Has anyone ditched the staggered setup?

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